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OldDogOne: ahhhhhhhh, we struggle to organise interesting meetups for the (ki)devs and then "on the day" ...no one really cares...they simply rush towards the free food and ignore the chance to "develop themselves" in any way
OldDogTwo: I totally understand, we had a similar discussion at our "Town Hall Planning Meeting", i.e. setting up the schedule for the next 6 month. The main Topic was "How can we attract more designers?"
There was a strong thread of, "wait a minute, who gives a fuck?!"
OldDogOne: yep...we also suffer from the “techie me-me pack-mentality” where 90% dont care enough to speak up or come back to a question later even if it does bother them
OldDogTwo: difficult to balance “crowd pleaser presentations”, which are largely boring to those of us who care, with talks that are “novel but hard”, which are generally more interesting.
OldDogOne: we also get criticised for focusing on "a novel approach to the problem" in a generalist way...the hardcore attendees hate this..they want to see "perfect example stanzas of <insert fav language here> painted into a minimalist golden frame"
OldDogTwo: yeah, devs are often conservative
OldDogOne: conservative? I'd say ..too lazy to really "take-in" or "solve" problems...they sew the seeds of their own destruction...it's all about THEMSELVES not the PROBLEM space, it's “the code they like”...some sort of mutual appreciation of art...instead of a pragmatic "make it work -out there"
OldDogTwo: they are simply wedded to the surface form of the language rather than the real idea
OldDogOne: yes, and hard to get any of these script kiddies to "budge" from that position
OldDogTwo: Well, that's the local minima that is 'coding', unfortunate it's lasted 40 years ;-)
OldDogOne: nail on the head, add to that the "code golfers" who like to see minimum-keystrokes as some sort of macho sport ..much like the gym meat-head tough-guys out-lifting each other, week after week...totally lost in their own purism
OldDogTwo: Yeah...who gives a fuck ! :-)